Suarez should be banned

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Permalink Reply by MySoccerPlace.net on July 5, 2010 at 3:14am

I might be crazy but that's exactly what I think it should be done. Intentional handball on goal line like Suarez's one should be counted as a goal. I don't see what problems that could cause.

Do you watch basketball ? There is a rule there that counts a valid point if defender touch the ball that is falling inside basket (I don't how to say the name of this rule on English). Similar to this, intentional handball of defensive players in situation where ball is going straight to the goal should be counted as a goal in football rules .. or at least if player plays with hand on the goal line.

I'm pretty sure that rule will not be introduced as FIFA is all but revolutionary organization but that's what I would like to see as a rule after Uruguay vs Ghana match as Suarez's situation has clearly shown that intentional and blatant rule breaking can actually be a very positive thing for rule breakers since they have been given a chance to save themselves by breaking a rule in situation where goal was 100% sure.

Permalink Reply by roy on July 5, 2010 at 4:00am

I disagree with you, because there is a flaw in your reasoning as well. What if there is an incident where the player shoots the ball and it goes straight to the opposition defender's face and he is accidentally uses his hands to block the ball as self defense.if it wasn't for the hand, it would bounce back and it won't go into the net. If that were to happen, then it wouldn't be fair to count it as a goal. There has been incidents like this and the referee awards it as a penalty.

If Fifa allows to count the goal when the player purposely hand balls to block the ball and not count the goal when it was unintentional and award as penalty, there may be confusion like the situation like I said above and give an unfair game. I think the best decision is to leave as it is. If we used video technology, then this wouldn't be a problem. They can have better judgment and count it as a goal or count it as a penalty.

MySoccerPlace.net said:

I might be crazy but that's exactly what I think it should be done. Intentional handball on goal line like Suarez's one should be counted as a goal. I don't see what problems that could cause.

Do you watch basketball ? There is a rule there that counts a valid point if defender touch the ball that is falling inside basket (I don't how to say the name of this rule on English). Similar to this, intentional handball of defensive players in situation where ball is going straight to the goal should be counted as a goal in football rules .. or at least if player plays with hand on the goal line.

I'm pretty sure that rule will not be introduced as FIFA is all but revolutionary organization but that's what I would like to see as a rule after Uruguay vs Ghana match as Suarez's situation has clearly shown that intentional and blatant rule breaking can actually be a very positive thing for rule breakers since they have been given a chance to save themselves by breaking a rule in situation where goal was 100% sure.

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Permalink Reply by MySoccerPlace.net on July 5, 2010 at 5:18am

Roy, most of rules are like that and based on referee's view of the situation. It's same like any handball that is potential penalty. Referees are deciding if it is purposely or not and if they would call a penalty or not so they could decide if it was purposely handball or someone was protecting his face if new rule would be introduced.

The example you've provided here could be added to current rule too. Someone could protect his face with current rules and ref could call penalty or not. He's still the one who decides.

There is no perfect rule for anything that involves human as decision makers. But Ghana dropping from World Cup because of blatant and intentional rule breaking is far away from perfect too. Awarding them with a goal for Suarez's move looks closest to perfect to me. The rule we have now is incentive for cheating (or whatever some would call it) and it can't be compared with any other situation as this is the only situation that would produce a 100% goal if cheating (or whatever some would call it) would be excluded.


roy said:

I disagree with you, because there is a flaw in your reasoning as well. What if there is an incident where the player shoots the ball and it goes straight to the opposition defender's face and he is accidentally uses his hands to block the ball as self defense.if it wasn't for the hand, it would bounce back and it won't go into the net. If that were to happen, then it wouldn't be fair to count it as a goal. There has been incidents like this and the referee awards it as a penalty.
If Fifa allows to count the goal when the player purposely hand balls to block the ball and not count the goal when it was unintentional and award as penalty, there may be confusion like the situation like I said above and give an unfair game. I think the best decision is to leave as it is. If we used video technology, then this wouldn't be a problem. They can have better judgment and count it as a goal or count it as a penalty. MySoccerPlace.net said:

I might be crazy but that's exactly what I think it should be done. Intentional handball on goal line like Suarez's one should be counted as a goal. I don't see what problems that could cause.

Do you watch basketball ? There is a rule there that counts a valid point if defender touch the ball that is falling inside basket (I don't how to say the name of this rule on English). Similar to this, intentional handball of defensive players in situation where ball is going straight to the goal should be counted as a goal in football rules .. or at least if player plays with hand on the goal line. I'm pretty sure that rule will not be introduced as FIFA is all but revolutionary organization but that's what I would like to see as a rule after Uruguay vs Ghana match as Suarez's situation has clearly shown that intentional and blatant rule breaking can actually be a very positive thing for rule breakers since they have been given a chance to save themselves by breaking a rule in situation where goal was 100% sure.

Permalink Reply by roy on July 5, 2010 at 6:17am

Well, I guess intentional handball is best for being counted as a ball. The problem would be the decision of the referee. I'm thinking that technology will be needed for these decisions. WE NEED VIDEO TECHNOLOGY FOR BETTER JUDGEMENT!!!!

MySoccerPlace.net said:

Roy, most of rules are like that and based on referee's view of the situation. It's same like any handball that is potential penalty. Referees are deciding if it is purposely or not and if they would call a penalty or not so they could decide if it was purposely handball or someone was protecting his face if new rule would be introduced.

The example you've provided here could be added to current rule too. Someone could protect his face with current rules and ref could call penalty or not. He's still the one who decides.

There is no perfect rule for anything that involves human as decision makers. But Ghana dropping from World Cup because of blatant and intentional rule breaking is far away from perfect too. Awarding them with a goal for Suarez's move looks closest to perfect to me. The rule we have now is incentive for cheating (or whatever some would call it) and it can't be compared with any other situation as this is the only situation that would produce a 100% goal if cheating (or whatever some would call it) would be excluded.


roy said:

I disagree with you, because there is a flaw in your reasoning as well. What if there is an incident where the player shoots the ball and it goes straight to the opposition defender's face and he is accidentally uses his hands to block the ball as self defense.if it wasn't for the hand, it would bounce back and it won't go into the net. If that were to happen, then it wouldn't be fair to count it as a goal. There has been incidents like this and the referee awards it as a penalty.
If Fifa allows to count the goal when the player purposely hand balls to block the ball and not count the goal when it was unintentional and award as penalty, there may be confusion like the situation like I said above and give an unfair game. I think the best decision is to leave as it is. If we used video technology, then this wouldn't be a problem. They can have better judgment and count it as a goal or count it as a penalty. MySoccerPlace.net said:

I might be crazy but that's exactly what I think it should be done. Intentional handball on goal line like Suarez's one should be counted as a goal. I don't see what problems that could cause.

Do you watch basketball ? There is a rule there that counts a valid point if defender touch the ball that is falling inside basket (I don't how to say the name of this rule on English). Similar to this, intentional handball of defensive players in situation where ball is going straight to the goal should be counted as a goal in football rules .. or at least if player plays with hand on the goal line. I'm pretty sure that rule will not be introduced as FIFA is all but revolutionary organization but that's what I would like to see as a rule after Uruguay vs Ghana match as Suarez's situation has clearly shown that intentional and blatant rule breaking can actually be a very positive thing for rule breakers since they have been given a chance to save themselves by breaking a rule in situation where goal was 100% sure.

Permalink Reply by MySoccerPlace.net on July 5, 2010 at 7:25am

of course we do, football is screaming for video replays and other technologies

Permalink Reply by dearpixel on July 5, 2010 at 7:36am

This is football not basketball, so drawing a parallel needs proper thought, not just a passing reference. Otherwise, the parallel could be convincing--but ultimately inappropriate. Think about it. Since when is a basketball game decided on say a one-nil scoreline? The score increases each minute in basketball—so a spot of basketball goaltending here and there simply doesn't have the same weight as a football goal. So the umpire's decision isn't the be all and end all as far as outcome of a basketball game (much less a series) is concerned. In football, one wrong decision by the ref can be the whole game (and millions of dollars for the team, blah blah). You want to put that on the shoulders of the ref? A goal must actually be scored, otherwise it's utterly farcical. A bit of video technology can help on the goal-line to see if the ball had crossed or not, but never to award a goal on a technicality—yes, even for the most blatant goal-tending. Ultimately, it is better that a red card and penalty be awarded. And as you recall, Ghana then proceeded to blow it—Suarez didn't knock them out. I suppose he did have a hand in their exit, ha!

Permalink Reply by marcel mendy on July 10, 2010 at 7:20pm

I think that those who said that suarez should not be banned are just racist and stupid.
I think that suarez action will encourage more player to do the same in nock out stage whether it is a cup or championleague or international football.
If you think properly, if a team is really underpressure in anockout stage and if they feel that they are going to loose, they can just stand in the goal line and stop the ball crossing the line. then by doing that they can go through.

I think that the red card and the penalty are not enough.

Because of suarez, every player will train as a goal keeper in order to stop the ball crossing the line and honestly this will just detroy football.

For those who said that Ghana did not deserve to go through, I think you are terribly RACIST because Ghana dominated the game and Urugay did not play well. Even the urugayan manager admitted that his team did not play well. So stop pissing people off because you are very racist.

Permalink Reply by marcel mendy on July 10, 2010 at 7:36pm

Deco Lim I think you are just speaking because ghana is not your team. if this happened to your team , you would say differently.
I think when a player commit a fault (hand ball or bad tackle), his team should be punished and the opposit team should have the advantage. But in suarez's case, urugay was not punished because it was the last kick of the game and the penalty was not an advantage to ghana, it was a chance to urugay.
Suarez got a red card but he did not miss any minute or second of the game, he played the whole game.
I think that ghana did not get any advantage on that at all.
I think that even if the referee can't award a goal, the rule should look at this situation. anyone can do this at the last minute of the game and get away with it.
Maybe FIFA should put in place two type of penalty:
one will be for normal penalty as we already have;
the second type of penalty should be a penalty without goalkeeper for cases like this. and for this second type of penalty the distance of the ball to the goal will be greater than the normal penalty we already have.



Deco Lim said:

Honestly, i felt proud of what he did for his country. No rules state that you can't commit a foul for a red card on purpose. And furthermore, Ghana had the chance and they screwed it. I like both teams, but, Suarez did the right thing, PREVENTING the goal and handed over the coin toss for Ghana. And they simply screwed it.

Permalink Reply by marcel mendy on July 10, 2010 at 7:57pm

I think this rule is very wrong.
The purpose should be to give advantage to the opposite team and sanction the player and team who commit the fault (hand ball, or bad tackkle, or simulation, etc...)
In suarez case, ghana did not get advantage because it was the last kick of the game and the red card was not an advantage to ghana because the time was over , therefore the red card was an advantage for HOLLAND only.
The penalty is not an advantage, but it was a chance for urugay to get back into the game.
So I can't see honestly any advantage for ghana.

I think FIFA should look at those issue and should make sure that the rule will allow the opposit team to get advantage on that. Because any player can do that from now on.
I can tell you that in the 2014 world cup , if the FIFA rules are not reviewed, many player will do the same and all they will miss is just one game, and therefore any team will be a title contender.
This is sincerely distroying football.
Please speak with your mind but not with your heart. I know that many continent are praying for african team not to go to the semifinal.
But remember also that when the world cup started back in the 1930ies, african countries were under colonisation. and urugay won the world cup twice before african country were independent.
the other point is that not many african country were allowed to participate to the world cup.
Europe have 13 team in this world cup , and 10 of european teams did not make it to the quarter final.
I think it is because of all those reason that europe have more chance to win every tournament, because they have more team. it is simple and not fair.

Luke said:

Banned for what? He got the punishment, a straight red, Ghana got the penalty. Gyan missed it, he should have scored. The rules of the game are simple and everything was done according to those rules. He didn't simulate to earn a penalty, he used his arms blocked a sure goal and was red carded. That's the end of that. Gyan missed, you should be pissed at him.

Permalink Reply by Gabbie Smith-Lofton on July 12, 2010 at 5:11pm

Banned for what?!? Suárez committed a foul and he was admonished therefor. He received a red card, was ejected, and suspended for one game. Ghana was awarded a penalty kick. Exactly what the rules call for for a handball in the goal area. That Ghyan missed – that Ghana did not capitalize when it had the clear advantage of a penalty kick – that is not Suarez’s nor Uruguay’s fault. Methinks NO ONE would be having this discussion had Ghyan converted the penalty kick. Sad.

A player who should be banned is Holland’s DE JONG – for his karate kick to the chest of Xabi Alonso. I mean, c’mon!!! Only a yellow card? All football fans know that should have been a direct red and a suspension – a la Zidane.

So stop crying about the Suarez handball – unless you want to be called hypocritical. De Jong’s foul was FAR MORE offensive to the sport of football, and to its fans. It turned a final which should have been a display of beautiful football, into something mercenary. A disgrace - an outrageous disgrace.

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