Suarez should be banned

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Permalink Reply by Carlos Armando on July 3, 2010 at 11:31am

First of all, those penalty shouldn't have taken place, that was cheating, does that mean that when a player is standing on a goal line and the goal is going in, every player should block the ball with their hands? Let's be honest people, it wasn't reaction what made him block with his hands, the ball had past another player who was trying to head it. Did you see when he is redcarded he reacts as if surprised? then hangs around to see to penalty missed? he cheated and he got away with it. When players use this as a resource the goal should be given. I do not support Uruguay or Ghana, but i don't think you would like something like this to happen against your team? Suarez got rewarded for cheating, what message you get??
They all are professionals but they all can miss. that's the point of the penalties, there will be someone who will miss, that's the reason they are a defining part of the game

eduardo ponce said:

Exactly! How do you call yourself a professional soccer player if you can't kick a descent penalty kick? Beyond the play of chance that goes along with PKs, their kicks were awful. I'm glad they lost.

Dayanand Sawh said:

Until the Rules of Football are changed, Suarez did what any other professional player in his position would have done - taken a red card to save his team - This is no different from bringing down a player in a scoring position with an open goal - It's an act of utter desperation -
Don't forget he saved the goal twice !!!
The first attempt was legal -
The second ??? no time to respond ???
In Uruguay at least, he's a hero - they'll probably give him a medal - He converted certain defeat into a slim fighting chance that ultimately became a victory.

My heart goes out to Ghana ..... BUT....
The Ghanian penalty takers were atrocious - Did they deserve to advance after that display ?? How many penalties did they miss ??? I lost count ................

Permalink Reply by Carlos Armando on July 3, 2010 at 11:41am

the player next to him did not use his hands to stop the goal going in so NOT all the players resort to cheating in the brink of defeat or in the need of win (remember Henry's handball),Regardless, as you wrote, they are not quite the same situations handball and bringing down a player in scoring positions, neither they are justified. Cheating shouldn't be justified
You are right, the Ghanian players were awful, but do you think Uruguay deserves to advance after Suarez's display??? No chance!

Permalink Reply by Deco Lim on July 3, 2010 at 1:25pm

Honestly, i felt proud of what he did for his country. No rules state that you can't commit a foul for a red card on purpose. And furthermore, Ghana had the chance and they screwed it. I like both teams, but, Suarez did the right thing, PREVENTING the goal and handed over the coin toss for Ghana. And they simply screwed it.

Permalink Reply by 3> wenger on July 3, 2010 at 3:41pm

For Luke saying that Suarez will play the final if Urugay win the Semi, it s in your dream. As i said, the disciplinary commity of the FIFA took the case like every red card and will decide if this behaviour is todaly unsporting and will adapt the sanction. Like every direct red card the FIFA look into it and decide to expand the ban or not, Ribery 3 matches for his tackle on the semi ... it s every time like this, Eduardo took a bet and simulated a fault on the box, he got the penalty but FIFA look the video after and banned him for 3 matches....

Permalink Reply by MySoccerPlace.net on July 3, 2010 at 4:23pm

Don't mix the points here guys... he was punished in the way these rules say he should be punished. But as far as I am concerned that rule should be changed as it's not fair and it's very anti fair-play... red card is not enough since his team is getting a chance to be saved and it shouldn't since that's 100% goal.

Someone said Ghana didn't deserve to win because their penalties were bad. Come on guys, who could shot a good penalty after Gyan's miss. They were destroyed. Just like Croatian players were destroyed after they scored for 1:0 in 199th minute of EURO quarter final against Turkey but Turkey leveled in 120th..

Permalink Reply by eduardo ponce on July 3, 2010 at 4:41pm

Carlos Armando:

If it means that your team has now the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity of advancing to the semi-final and maybe the final of the World Cup, then yes, I would put my hands up and sacrifice myself by getting a red card for the team. It is NO DIFFERENT than when goalies or the last man fouls a forward with a clear chance of scoring and receives a red card all to stop a goal.

As afr as the missed PK: yes, all professionals can miss, but did you not see the way the Ghana players executed those PKs?!? They missed 3 of 6! 50%! that's is more than 30% lowers than average!! They had their chances, over and over...they are not a smart team. I'm not condoning using your hand to stop a goal in any way. It IS cheap and and unsportsmanship, but considering the situation and the pressure, I couldn't tell you that I wouldn't have done it myself. Can you?

Let's be objective about this, he used his hand, he got a red card, Ghana got the chance to make it up, they missed, they lost. PERIOD. Come to think of it, the way the Ghana players kicked those PKs demonstrates why no African team has ever made it to the semi-finals: all power, no brains.

Get over it.

Carlos Armando said:

First of all, those penalty shouldn't have taken place, that was cheating, does that mean that when a player is standing on a goal line and the goal is going in, every player should block the ball with their hands? Let's be honest people, it wasn't reaction what made him block with his hands, the ball had past another player who was trying to head it. Did you see when he is redcarded he reacts as if surprised? then hangs around to see to penalty missed? he cheated and he got away with it. When players use this as a resource the goal should be given. I do not support Uruguay or Ghana, but i don't think you would like something like this to happen against your team? Suarez got rewarded for cheating, what message you get??
They all are professionals but they all can miss. that's the point of the penalties, there will be someone who will miss, that's the reason they are a defining part of the game

eduardo ponce said:

Exactly! How do you call yourself a professional soccer player if you can't kick a descent penalty kick? Beyond the play of chance that goes along with PKs, their kicks were awful. I'm glad they lost.

Dayanand Sawh said:

Until the Rules of Football are changed, Suarez did what any other professional player in his position would have done - taken a red card to save his team - This is no different from bringing down a player in a scoring position with an open goal - It's an act of utter desperation -
Don't forget he saved the goal twice !!!
The first attempt was legal -
The second ??? no time to respond ???
In Uruguay at least, he's a hero - they'll probably give him a medal - He converted certain defeat into a slim fighting chance that ultimately became a victory.

My heart goes out to Ghana ..... BUT....
The Ghanian penalty takers were atrocious - Did they deserve to advance after that display ?? How many penalties did they miss ??? I lost count ................

Permalink Reply by MySoccerPlace.net on July 3, 2010 at 11:48pm

Suarez got one match suspension so he'll play if Uruguay advance to final. Expected..

Permalink Reply by Carlos Armando on July 4, 2010 at 2:32pm

@ Eduardo Ponce

If all the players would do the same, put their hands up and play like a goalkeeper to save a goal what would happen to the game? Why should they have a chance to save themselves when the ball is already going in? how many times have you seen a player standing on the goal line and NOT using their hands to stop the ball going in? IT IS DIFFERENT i repeat to another situations as the ball is about to cross the line, it CANNOT be compared to a goalie or last man fouling the forward to save a clear chance, because that's just what it is, a CHANCE not a goal. i guess you are the type of person who condons plays like the one with Henry using his hand to stop the ball with the hand in order to qualify, you must think that that is right, that is no sacrifice to me, if the match is finishing and is on the last minute there is no sacrifice, there was another player standing on the goal line and he didnt put his hands up, imagine if when a keeper has been beaten the defender goes to the goal line and just misses the ball with his legs or his body and then grabs the ball so it doesn't go in? how many times have you seen that happen? if this is left like this then it's going to start to happen, will that be good to the game? NO
OPEN YOUR MIND It is all about sportmanship and fair play. PERIOD


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eduardo ponce said:

Carlos Armando:

If it means that your team has now the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity of advancing to the semi-final and maybe the final of the World Cup, then yes, I would put my hands up and sacrifice myself by getting a red card for the team. It is NO DIFFERENT than when goalies or the last man fouls a forward with a clear chance of scoring and receives a red card all to stop a goal.

As afr as the missed PK: yes, all professionals can miss, but did you not see the way the Ghana players executed those PKs?!? They missed 3 of 6! 50%! that's is more than 30% lowers than average!! They had their chances, over and over...they are not a smart team. I'm not condoning using your hand to stop a goal in any way. It IS cheap and and unsportsmanship, but considering the situation and the pressure, I couldn't tell you that I wouldn't have done it myself. Can you?

Let's be objective about this, he used his hand, he got a red card, Ghana got the chance to make it up, they missed, they lost. PERIOD. Come to think of it, the way the Ghana players kicked those PKs demonstrates why no African team has ever made it to the semi-finals: all power, no brains.

Get over it.

Carlos Armando said:

First of all, those penalty shouldn't have taken place, that was cheating, does that mean that when a player is standing on a goal line and the goal is going in, every player should block the ball with their hands? Let's be honest people, it wasn't reaction what made him block with his hands, the ball had past another player who was trying to head it. Did you see when he is redcarded he reacts as if surprised? then hangs around to see to penalty missed? he cheated and he got away with it. When players use this as a resource the goal should be given. I do not support Uruguay or Ghana, but i don't think you would like something like this to happen against your team? Suarez got rewarded for cheating, what message you get??
They all are professionals but they all can miss. that's the point of the penalties, there will be someone who will miss, that's the reason they are a defining part of the game

eduardo ponce said:

Exactly! How do you call yourself a professional soccer player if you can't kick a descent penalty kick? Beyond the play of chance that goes along with PKs, their kicks were awful. I'm glad they lost.

Dayanand Sawh said:

Until the Rules of Football are changed, Suarez did what any other professional player in his position would have done - taken a red card to save his team - This is no different from bringing down a player in a scoring position with an open goal - It's an act of utter desperation -
Don't forget he saved the goal twice !!!
The first attempt was legal -
The second ??? no time to respond ???
In Uruguay at least, he's a hero - they'll probably give him a medal - He converted certain defeat into a slim fighting chance that ultimately became a victory.

My heart goes out to Ghana ..... BUT....
The Ghanian penalty takers were atrocious - Did they deserve to advance after that display ?? How many penalties did they miss ??? I lost count ................

Permalink Reply by dearpixel on July 4, 2010 at 4:03pm

I've been having this discussion with some mates, and the ones least interested in football are the ones most outraged by the handball. Get a life, and leave the impassioned arguments to those who actually care enough about the game to follow it week in, week out.

Situations of desperation happen a lot in football, and yellow/red cards are generally the way to deal with the offending player. Nobody gets this upset though, nobody really gets their knickers in a knot, so why now? Apart from irrational reasons like the game was a world cup quarter final, and it was the last minute, and it happened to africa's last team...blah, blah. The boy Suarez was well within his rights to take a red card for the team. If that's cheating in your book, then you're entitled to that opinion. You're not entitled to rewrite the laws of the game just because of your perceived injustice. I don't think it's injustice at all—I think it was a football game with all the drama that only football seems to produce. While the world may hate Suarez for it, I think hating the guy stops us seeing what really happened—a star striker puts himself out of the game (and maybe the tournament) to give his nation the slimmest of chances of survival. Football isn't a court of justice. It's a stage, and be prepared to be entertained. Thank god for Suarez.

Permalink Reply by eduardo ponce on July 4, 2010 at 4:28pm

THANK YOU DEARPIXEL, finally someone that gets it!

Carlos, you can't possibly think its all about fair play and sportsmanship, do you? It's about winning, at any cost. If you would have played in a competitive team at the higher levels, you would understand that winning is the ultimate goal. If it was about sportsmanship and fair play and rainbows and unicorns, then why would we need referees? Why don't we just let the 22 players go out there and play the sport like gentlemen? Maybe we can sanction them after the game is they misbehave.

You sound like a pissed soccer mom after her kid losing a game. No, I don't condone dirty play or if "all the players ... put their hands up and play like a goalkeeper to save a goal" but as a player myself, I can understand what he did. Let me explain it to you: Ultimately, ALL PLAYERS want to play as many minutes as they can. Uruguay has to play Holland, which in my opinion is a much better team and thus will beat them. Suarez KNOWS THIS! He knows he probably played his last match BUT he still decided to put his hands up there to give his team that extra 16% chance of making it to the next round (pks have an 84% success rate). I believe it is his choice and he got what he deserved, a red + a PK (again, 84% success rate).

If you want to be upset, you should be upset at Gyan for being an ass and missing a PK like a donkey and the other 2 players who apparently skipped the PK portion of practice. I mean they missed half of their PKs!

Anyway, I really think you should get over it. Like dearpixel said, it really does happen ALL THE TIME in soccer, in EVERY LEAGUE, and it is always dealt the same way: a red card + a PK. Maybe you should watch soccer more than for 1 month every four years.

Soccer is like life..unfair, and crying does you no good. You are welcome to have the last words. I'm done.

Permalink Reply by MySoccerPlace.net on July 4, 2010 at 6:40pm

You guys are talking like Suarez had a day or two to think about his move. That's an instinct reaction, he didn't think anything, he just did it. Like most of us would. I don't blame him at all, I would just like to see the rule changed. The rule that would make that shot a goal, not penalty. Simple as that.

Permalink Reply by dearpixel on July 4, 2010 at 7:48pm

Are you serious? That would be the worst thing FIFA could do. You think that wouldn't open the game (and the ref) to all manner of outrageous appeals for a goal? Bad enough that offended teams wave imaginary cards calling for presumably a booking or sending off. If the ref has the prerogative to decide it's a goal just because it's goal-bound, then that's a proper foolish rule to my mind. Let the game be played on the pitch, and if there's a goal to be had, I for one want to witness it.

MySoccerPlace.net said:

I would just like to see the rule changed. The rule that would make that shot a goal, not penalty. Simple as that.

Someone on this thread mentioned loophole. Who is writing your script? It's not even a loophole. Games all over the world are now going to be ruined because players now realise there's a loophole? That's just rubbish reasoning. Suarez exploited nothing other than dumb luck when the ball came his way. More desperate reflex than anything else. His job, and that of all players, is to do their best to alter the outcome of the match. FIFA rightly stayed with a one match ban. If you watch enough football, you'll recognise true cynicism and cheating when you see it.

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